10 New Hydrogen-Electric Vehicles Restoring Interest Towards Fuel-Cell Technology

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1. Wow all the fecvs are being manufactured under H2 green,
   this will surely clean the pollution of the world in the great lengths!
   Congratulations all the H2 G based FECVS of all the vehicles!
   Make affordable pollution free FECVS for the Haves & Havenots.

2. a total waste of time & expense !!!

3. the hydrogen revolution is coming …..

4. I just can't wait for below freezing winter driving, as often found World wide, when countless  hydrogen vehicles have driven before us spewing mostly cool liquid state water exhaust droplets from a hydrogen fuel cell's 60-80C/140-176F exothermic reaction coating the roads with black ice for us to drive over and wreck our vehicles on ! Remember that liquid water begins to steam, when heated, at 100C/212F. How about slips and falls in parking lots from countless, intentional winter temperature liquid water waste dumps left when leaving parking spots. Now that is safe ! This concept is just another, not so well thought out,"GREEN", idea that when applied into the real world, with millions of passenger and commercial trucks produced by so many manufacturers  needed to fuel a society with hydrogen to keep us safe from climate change, does not keep us safe from injury or death when in vehicular accidents or falling down when encountering ice. A future Hydrogen Economy when built out, operating so many Hydrogen Vehicles that are spitting water on below freezing road or parking lot surfaces day after day in continual below freezing temperatures is not the answer ! It only takes  a small patch of ice for a person walking to slip and fall. The key point is the state of the vehicle water emitted. Internal Combustion Engines (ICE) have high thermal heat output 250-800C/482-1472F and the resulting combusted fuel emissions cocktail comprises much less liquid water state exhausted as a portion per mile which is, in the case of an I.C.E. exhausted mostly instead as water vapor, which as we all know, is emitted as a gas vapor not settling on a road surface, but dissipating up as heat rising into the atmosphere. Present fuel cell designs drip much water, about a cup per mile, plentiful commercial Trucks / Lorries much more in the liquid state as the only single resulting byproduct, able to fall in a cool liquid form, ready to freeze on colder road surfaces. That is the difference. How about adding a steam heating unit to the fuel cell's liquid water by-product exhaust, this may be an energy intensive solution reducing mileage, and efficiency during winter driving, but lofting water vapor up off the road as ICE propelled vehicles now do. So, where to put the liquid water. Maybe an onboard  tank to freeze solid and burst when parked?  At a stop sign or light idling then accelerating adding heavy icing right there to the road surface just where one wants to actually stop? A parking lot to slip and injure another walking by the back of your parked vehicle or after you drove off leaving water to freeze there? A roadside gutter so a pedestrian can slip stepping off a curb, maybe falling down flat in front of stopped traffic and out of view of drivers ready to accelerate forward? Your driveway so you can fall there ? Your Garage to slide across while holding your infant child then both hitting the hard floor? Maybe, you need more tasks or to be distracted by mopping up the garage floor before the water freezes and your groceries just purchased thaw? Maybe a high speed highway perhaps in a turn? Maybe the unlimited speed limit Autobahn with high water production by those higher electric energy demands moving the hydrogen vehicle through the air while simultaneously dumping large amounts of water mist contrails at high speed onto the road surface? Your Hydrogen Vehicle needs to relieve itself in public, The question is where to do it safely? Now considering these real world usage / interaction scenarios listed, are Hydrogen Vehicles a good idea? As a vehicle operator you can rate the chance of consistent, caring, and professional operator actions observed when you're out exercising your privilege to be with others in the public driving arena. Are you certain that rushed Hydrogen vehicle drivers find and maneuver over a public storm drain water dump station to let their hydrogen vehicle relieve itself in public places when freezing weather is happening? You rate and you decide if  we or will not slip into a Hydrogen transportation based society. As for me…you guessed it,  I see much more "could care less" vehicle drivers and very few careful vehicle drivers. Hydrogen supporters….should we give these "could care less" about you drivers a water soaker sprayer for society at large to walk or drive over when a dash indicator flashes an alert "water tank full" during your trip? 

     As a example of related but current human behavior, How many times do you see trash / rubbish go swirling out of a moving pickup truck bed in the States, or dumped out a moving vehicle window instead of being caringly placed in a proper waste receptacle when arriving at one's destination, as an example of drivers' proper public disposal habits?

   Maybe add antifreeze to the water dump so it can mist on following vehicles windshields / windscreens then be smeared when wipers on, so the trailing driver has no clear view of the road. Now that is safe ! Then more windshield solvent , with poisonous methanol, is added to the ground by constantly spraying to keep a clear view. Now we're turning wipers on and off, as if that is not distracting to manage while driving in heavy traffic or oncoming bright sunlight in turns. Now that's safe.

   Maybe many Hydrogen Fueled Vehicles can dump water, and antifreeze, smearing trailing vehicle's glass view 360 degrees, that is now spread everywhere in the environment. Now that is green, think !

   Maybe the Hydrogen Vehicle owner after the cost of a fill up of Hydrogen decides to not pay for the extra cost of perpetually filling an auxiliary antifreeze reservoir that costs more than gas or petrol per gallon. So where is the transportation fuel savings when buying both Hydrogen and Antifreeze for the fuel cell's water as a by product tank?

   Maybe granular or liquid salt treatment of ALL the roads ALL the time when temperatures are below freezing, even on sunny winter days ! Now raising the P.H. in streams from water mixed with salted trickling runoff 24/7/ all winter does not sound very Environmentally conscious or Green Think savvy. Get ready for higher taxes to pay the millions of dollars to pay for road treatment. Pay for replacing your scratched up paint. Pay for a broken windshield / windscreen when a chunk of salt is thrown on it during truck/ lorry application. Buying a new Vehicle often because your vehicle rusted prematurely from driving all winter on heavily salted roads.

   Maybe add vehicle exterior damaging or ICE engine air filter intake & cabin air filter clogging traction grit like coal furnace electric generation plant cinders or mined beach sand from environmentally sensitive areas to the below freezing road's surfaces 24/7 all winter to combat black ice on road surfaces, filling the streams with sediment to clog fish gills when stirred into the water column later by heavy rains to follow in warm weather. Now one has to think twice about opting for a green and healthy deep breathing bicycle ride or walk on a drier warm early Spring Day to work or for pleasure while breathing the leftover dust from many Winter months of road grit application stirred up by passing vehicles.

   Maybe the antifreeze adder system breaks or is disabled. Now the trailing driver is back to sliding on black ice in below freezing cold temperatures when Hydrogen is used in Vehicles as a transportation fuel spewing ONLY clean water onto the roads as the only by-product of its use.

   You decide, if adopting Hydrogen Transportation is in our best interest in the "Real World". Seems like a slippery slope to me !

5. . hydrogen cars can really ECONOMISE MORE FUEL COST THAN ELECTRIC CARS IF WE MODIFY OUR CURRENT HYDROGEN DISTRIBUTION APPROACH !
   
   The biggest cause of hydrogen cost is that WE TRANSPORT HYDROGEN BY TRUCKS, IT IS EXPENSIVE. Just try to avoid to transport hydrogen by trucks, then hydrogen will be very cheap. It means that NEED TO PRODUCE HYDROGEN ON SITES (WHERE FILLING HYDROGEN), OR TRANSPORT HYDROGEN BY PIPE LINES.

   So we need to make 1 or 4 modifications :

   1/ Distributed hydrogen production on sites : hydrogen filling stations should be equipped with electrolysers, so hydrogen filling stations can produce hydrogen on sites from electricity outlets, instead of just receiving hydrogen from other places. Thus avoid problem cost of transfer hydrogen by trucks. Besides, nets of electrolysing hydrogen filling stations are ideal solution/market for intermittent renewable energy.

   It is new worldwide coming hydrogen distribution approach, so it opens markets of mobile small sized electrolysers. Electrolysers are not so expensive for hydrogen filling stations.

   2/ Use compressed gas hydrogen batteries with mini household electrolysers/mini mobile electrolysers : small mobility vehicles/mobility machines/mobility robots/mobility drones …, will use hydrogen gas batteries (hydrogen gas battery =hydrogen fuel cell + compressed hydrogen gas ballon 200-300 bar). And each of these mobility machines can be sale with mini home electrolysers, so that owners can produce to fill hydrogen at homes (charge hydrogen batteries at home). Hydrogen ballon 300bar is enough, so that hydrogen battery 300bar(fuel cell +hydrogen ballon 300bar) can guarantee more energy capacity than best lithium batteries, and it guarantees that the size of hydrogen battery 300bar is not remarkable bigger than lithium battery of equivalent energy capacity. Of course 700bar allows more hydrogen storages, liquid hydrogen allows more hydrogen storage. But for hydrogen batteries, gas hydrogen ballons 300 bar are enough for balance of performance-capacity-size-energy convertion ratio-ballon material-simplicity.

   Hydrogen batteries 300bar + mini mobile electrolysers are ideal for two-wheel vehicles/small cars/small robots/drones and for trend of hydrogen mobility devices anywhere (easy to operate anywhere and easy to charge anywhere with electricity).

   3/ hydrogen batteries for big station energy storage : Independent hydrogen batteries (hydrogen fuel cell + compressed hydrogen ballons > 300bar) + independent electrolyser is best variant. when excess energy, then run independent electrolyser. When need electricity, then run independent fuel cell. And intrigued working mechanism between independent fuel cell and independent electrolyser. That is all ! No complex automatic control system.

   4/ hydrogen filling stations need to prefer using hydrogen pipe line than transporting hydrogen by trucks.

   5/ The fundamental science dictates essential truth advantages of hydrogen.

   Science : if a chemical energy storage mechanism is charged as quick as producing hydrogen, then this mechanism PRACTICALLY CANNOT HAVE ENERGY CONVERTION RATIO BETTER THAN ELECTROLYSIS PROCESS. Besides, it is possible to adjust electrolysis reaction speed to get energy convertion ratio of electrolysis better than any chemical batteries. The best one of all possible chemical batteries in earth conditions is HYDROGEN BATTERY. All revolutions of chemical batteries, lithium batteries, LFP batteries, LTO batteries, graphene batteries .. are for reaching to the features of hydrogen batteries

6. U said Wohan and bio in the same sentence

7. they did not mention cummins they have several products busses tractors.

8. Nikola hasnt sold a single vehicle till date

9. All Hydrogen Vehicles are the future of mobility! All they need to do is build more Hydrogen Stations and the People will buy the Hydrogen Cars.!

10. I think Hydrogen cars are they only option because you re-fuel in 5 minutes and go. Electric cars take to long to recharge. No one has 1hr or more time to wait by the Charging station until fully charged. I own a hybrid and when Hydrogen cars become more common I will purchase one.

11. I think in the short term the vehicle price and scarcity of filling stations will count against fuel cells for cars, but as trucks, boats, and planes cause fuel cells to develop, the lower price might pass down to cars too.

12. FCEVs are awesome, though I do wonder if H2 is necessarily the best fuel for them, it does theoretically have the best specific energy, but some of the advantages of that get eaten up by the weight of the storage, either having to maintain high pressures, or having to be vacuum insulated in the case of liquid hydrogen, so perhaps an energy carrier with a higher volumetric density and/or easier storage might be better, eg. ammonia if you want to stay carbon neutral, or methane or methanol otherwise. methane is probably the most convenient alternative fuel from an infrastructure perspective, but methanol being a liquid at room temperature certainly has some appeal too.

    however, unless fuel cells can drop the price of EVs lower than BEVs can compete with, then I expect most of the market will go to BEVs, and FCEVs will only take the high endurance section of the market, eg. commercial vehicles. so a lot of it will come down to whether fuel cell stacks or batteries can be cost optimized more effectively

13. please, you need someone else to speak. your accent is not very nice. i'm sorry i cant listen to this narration.

14. The Nikola pick-up is a good looking truck.

15. Great video, annoying voice.

16. Co-building my first hydrogen fuel cell in 1982 powered by green hydrogen, is the future today.

    Super Electroayzers with my proprietary catalyst powered by solar or wind turbines significantly increases production output efficiency.

    Thermal management is critical for added efficiency. Never waste heat, capitalize on it.

17. Nikola Bader – Cancelled, Nikola One – Cancelled, Nikola Tre is a BEV. An Methanol fuel cell is not Hydrogen powered, and can't use existing Hydrogen infrastructure. Not to mention Methanol fuel cells create CO2 as by-product. Maybe rehash the video to say "6 New Hydrogen Vehicles in the hope to kill falling interest in Hydrogen"

18. Id way rather just pump the hydrogen and leave and not have to wait and dance around for a charge. Plus we could keep the same gas station style infrastructure with some modifications.

19. I would buy Hydrogen powered vehicles before I would electric. Toyota should build hydrogen fuel stations outside their U.S. headquarters in Plano, Tx. & Tundra plant in San Antonio, Tx. with additional stations in Austin & Houston. That would give us Texans the range we need.

20. 哈氧气就是屎啦…！

21. If petrol and diesel could co-exist, why can't hydrogen and batteries do the same? Why should we have fewer options in the future?

22. Forget hydrogen, forget hydrogen, forget hydrogen (for passenger vehicles; may have applications in long-haul, other large vehicles like ships. That's it).

23. I think we need both electric and hydrogen but hydrogen could e a leader for fact it basically has endless range as long as it has hydrogen

24. The Nikola pick up truck

25. I just got my new Mirai 2020 for only $2,500 after incentives, rebates, and fuel card So far I love the car and drive it trying to beat my driving efficiency score each time. I think driving with “br” mode on the Mirai when slowing down have improved my score, hahaha. It’s like I’m driving stick shift trying to improve my score. Maybe Toyota in the future can automate the “br” mode to further increase driving efficiency. Also I don’t have to worry about breathing in combustion residues in the air, it just feels more refreshing driving a hydrogen fuel car and knowing that I don’t have a battery that is degrading overtime. I’m sure the fuel stacks degrade over time too but probably at a rate much lower than batteries degrade. The Mirai does have a small Nickle metal hydride batteries but these batteries are very durable.

26. Hope Mirai 2021 model will have Chademo connector to connect house for backup power. I think it’s a.feature here in California that a lot will get a lot of attention since the fire and power outages we experience sometimes. And hydrogen cars can power the house longer because it has more capacity than current home battery backup system. 10x more capacity and a lot cheaper. Home battery backup system cost ~17k, used Mirai on Craigslist ~10k, if those had Chademo connectors they would be selling more here in CA.

27. Charging electric car batteries is inefficient and this compensates for its inefficient production-use process of hydrogen fuel: time is money and has value, takes longer to charge pure electric battery powered cars and takes up more space because you’ll need more charging stations, more land space to charge battery powered cars, whereas hydrogen cars only need a few stations to refuel because it will take 5-10 minutes to refuel hydrogen.

28. Nice overview of H2 mobility. Can somebody else do the voice over? Someone who speaks good English?

29. Screw Elon musk – hydrogen cars all the way

30. Nikola docent count because they are a scam

31. Que. Bien.

32. For "lightweight" personal transportation like cars, bikes, scooters and bicycles, electric is the solution. For big and heavy vehicles and heavy equipment like trucks, farming machinery and construction equipment, hydrogen is the solution.

33. The Nikola vehicles look really good. I hope they actually make it big.

34. Hydrogen is the way forward…
    Well done Toyota for bringing it to the mass market…

35. Supported by your friendly fossil fuel companies and a lobbied governments. Hybrid is not green, sorry

36. The only reason ice guys dont like evs is because of the sound tbh. Atleat 80% of them

37. Hydrogen Fuel Cell vehicles are at around 22 cents per mile to run. A Tesla is 3.5 cents per mile. Based on this ratio fuel cells have no chance. https://youtu.be/k7JRIUPhSJE BEV faster, cheaper and cleaner as fuel cell vehicles use reformed natural gas currently.

38. Each option has pros and cons, so depends on the end user's preferences, requirements and maybe most importantly, practicality of recharching vs. refilling.

39. Hydrogen is not the future. It all comes down to costs and efficiency, and the fact that Tesla Semi is just around the corner, and it can charge to 80% i 30 min, so hydrogen is out the window, unfortunately.

40. Tesla RIP

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