Apple does sometimes use anticompetitive practices. The DOJ is semicorrect, but for the wrong reasons. The big thing ignored is how Apple makes hardware repairs incredibly difficult/expensive in order to force consumers to use their Genius Bar or simply buy a new iPhone/Apple Product.
The slimy practices such as DRM'ing replacement parts that arent first party is ridiculous. Plus, replacement prices are 500$ for a phone display, which is ridiculous.
The complaint about game streaming – ridiculous because its not even true. Valve remote play is allowed, PS remote play is allowed, XCloud, I believe, is also allowed, and Stadia used to be allowed when it was still operating.
Prices for iPhones – again kind of ridiculous. iPhones are not absurdly expensive for the product they offer. Their phones have top of the line chips, build quality, displays, and cameras. When it comes to the watch – yeah, maybe they should allow Apple Watch to work with Android phones. Airpods should have an Android app. Apple TV should have an android app.
The reason the DOJ is sueing seems incredibly petty and not exactly well thought out. In fact, it comes across as a law suit imagined by people who do not understand tech very well.
I suspect the DOJ is angry Apple will not come up with a backdoor to hack iPhones and are angry with how often it affects cases(with how many iPhones are sold in the USA).
Ultimately, Apple is as popular as it is in the USA because of the product Apple produces – not because they are committing some nefarious crime. People like the simplicity and lack of choice in favor of the "it just works" mindset. If that isn't your cup of tea, an Android phone can be bought at any time, and switching is really not as hard as the DOJ would like to believe.
I think looking at each of these "arguments" individually misses the bigger picture of everything together. If a smart watch maker wanted to make a compelling watch with nice features they could build in compatibility with their own app, or another "super app" that would allow their watch to make payments, send messages, do notifications, etc. By Apple denying access to SMS or other phone features from Apps and other devices they are reducing user choice and forcing them to use their app, their watch, their system.
it's days like these that I'm glad I wasn't born in the USA. I hate imessage, always have, and apple's evil practices. that's coming from an ex apple Sheep myself… I hope the DOJ gets a big win
I think the difference between games and movies is the monetization aspect of it
How would crippling a "super app" make you sell more phones? I'd think it just undermines your business in China.
Apple watch doesn't work on Android because Apple don't want it. Pixel watch, Galaxy watch and other wear os watches don't work on iphone because Apple don't want it
I live in China and I use WeChat. There's nothing you can do on Android WeChat and that cannot be done on iOS WeChat.
Guys I dying to watch a podcast about why is not great gaming on mac I’m sure there’s many people with the same question. I Love your podcast and your YouTube channel. Thanks
What would be funny is if you guys were subpoenaed for your expertise as influencers. That would be hilarious
Marques is carrying way too much water for Apple in this clip. Let em fall.
The China market isn’t something to scream about. You said it yourselves; it’s only a vibrant hardware market because of a software monopoly. One app for everyone. That’s not a good model to aspire to.
25:30 I think this take about NFC and Apple wallet from David is from an American perspective. 1. In most countries, Apple wallet straight up doesn't work. 2. In many countries, apps like Google pay, Samsung Pay, etc. have tap to pay through NFC options. NFC can be turned on through the Quick settings. While Iphones don't have a NFC toggle, they have a scan nearby devices toggle, hence if you have an iphone, you can't tap to pay in any app other than the Apple wallet. Basically you have NFC on your phone, the hardware is there, Apple won't let you use it with other apps. It's crazy but considering it's Apple, the greediest company in the world, I'm not surprised.
Marques doesn’t know what a super app is?
The galaxy watch up to the 3 had a companion app but 4 onwards doesn't have an app or pair
Clearly device and conquer. Thank you YouTube shape shifting algorithm. For the suggestion. AI at its best. Trust. Future proof window media player where was the MOV support?that made look at MOV as a worthwhile competitor. Right? As a MOV editor it equalized the playing field right? WeChat I use because of a former friend. I would not have gone there otherwise.for the best maybe?equality with WeChat should be the primary goal. Ineroperable I could? Public and reason is real. Trust is the amazing part. I put it because of what? Former friend? The public thing is critical in my family. Right? Apple has got this I’m all in. Competion is what it’s all about. Right? Just want trust in Ai right? IBM all the way.watsonX. I confused now. Why is this so difficult as to why and why? 17:57 and time for bed. Love you all gnite!
Hardware features like the special chips that enable certain seamless integrations are ok. Not offering APIs or access to permissions to implement features is not ok. That's the real problem. Garmin or any other smartwatch maker can never offer a full experience on iPhone not because they're bad at what they do, but because Apple has a restricted platform where they grant themselves access to features and APIs and keep them for themselves.
wait, on the US YOU CANT USE THE WALLET TO PAY WITH OTHER CARDS OTHER THAN APPLE PAY???
The actually useful answer to the guy asking Tim Cook about messaging his mom, was mentioned earlier in this video: "just use WhatsApp". Problem solved.
Soon Waveform Clips will start becoming their own podcasts
Allowing a bank to default on the NFC for payment means that it would be harder for me to use another banks payment card.
I have 3 payment cards from 2 banks. I have 2 loyalty cards that use NFC. I have other loyalty cards that have barcodes that require scanning. Will a bank allow me to put all those in their own digital wallet? Probably not. Do I want my bank to know all those details? No.
It’s goofy that the DOJ won’t sue the real monopolies in this country, especially the food industry… farming… etc.
Just FYI, in a legal sense, it doesn't matter if Apple now allows you to do something that you previously weren't able to do, if it is proven that at any point Apple didn't permit this with malicious intent then Apple is still liable to pay fines etc… I think that's a big area where the tech community doesn't understand why the DOJ is acting the way it is – because the DOJ is not looking to alter the most recent trends, but rather prove that Apple violated the law regardless of the point in time at which they did so. They may also make references to previous cases because of the precedent-based legal system in the US. In analogy, if, for example, a chemical company improperly disposed of waste then stopped, they would still be liable for the waste they disposed of improperly, regardless of the fact they have stopped doing it. I personally think the DOJ is acting now because they likely feel Apple's Masimo litigation has opened up the opportunity to put additional pressure on Apple.
So we need to make Fords give options for Chevy engines and vice versa.. We need Whoppers at McDonalds now too.
Feel free to add chapters to a THIRTY EIGHT minute clip. My dudes
18:19 the notification thing is the whole thing about the apple ecosystem.
make small little things be less enjoyable when using your apple products with other products.
i hate how my iphone doesn’t work with my windows computer.
my iphone would be more valuable if it worked with other products.
they want me to buy every product as an apple product which i hate.
all for the blue bubble
I was SO mad when I bought my Pixel and my Samsung watch wouldn't work. Made me so ANGRY.
Are we going to sue microsoft for not letting ps5 controllers work on it? They forced me to buy a xbox controller because thats the only one that works with it
The other end of this argument is to make an apple watch work with android etc. Is they would have to test numerous other devices and setup whole new teams to make all their devices work with android etc.
Apple openly blocking basic apis is shitty but most other arguments are just ridiculous
So I have an iPhone and a Garmin watch – I’ve got it so that apps like Teams sends me phone notifications but not to the watch but WhatsApp for example sends them to the phone and watch…
Fun fact: YouTube makes more money off iphone users using the YouTube app, than Android users using the YouTube app.
Love it, W for Department of Justice 3:08 Itunes arrived on windows waaaay later than the release of the ipod and windows version 5:23 Messenger from Meta was a SuperApp, it allowed to have SMS on the app itself instead of using the one that came with the phone, why Apple doesn't like that: You would use another app instead of their app (SMS in this case for example) and since their SMS app is not just any SMS app they would need to tell Meta a lot of their secrets, and they would lose control over the section 13:44 That's the anticonsumer policy that DOJ is fighting, yes 20:09 Actually you can use the Apple Watch LTE with android, it just lacks features that it could do on Android but it won't you’ll still need an iPhone to set the process in motion. -Pair your Apple Watch with your iPhone. Once complete, place a test call on your iPhone to see if the SIM card is activated. -Next, put your iPhone in Airplane Mode. Check if the Apple Watch is still connected to a network. If it is, switch off your Apple Watch. -Transfer the SIM card in your iPhone to your Android phone and switch on the Apple Watch.
Well, google watches will work on all Android phones regardless of manufacturer, but apple's watch only works on one manufacturer's phone.
I'm wondering, is google not supporting the iPhone for Pixel Watch because of the ridiculous limitations? Like Notification control for example…
Well I hope 2030 isn't identical to 2024 but I doubt much will change. Still got my fingers crossed tho
IMO Garmin watches are better for fitness because AW are just smartphones on your wrist while Garmin has superior fitness metrics and application.
Apple does sometimes use anticompetitive practices. The DOJ is semicorrect, but for the wrong reasons. The big thing ignored is how Apple makes hardware repairs incredibly difficult/expensive in order to force consumers to use their Genius Bar or simply buy a new iPhone/Apple Product.
The slimy practices such as DRM'ing replacement parts that arent first party is ridiculous. Plus, replacement prices are 500$ for a phone display, which is ridiculous.
The complaint about game streaming – ridiculous because its not even true. Valve remote play is allowed, PS remote play is allowed, XCloud, I believe, is also allowed, and Stadia used to be allowed when it was still operating.
Prices for iPhones – again kind of ridiculous. iPhones are not absurdly expensive for the product they offer. Their phones have top of the line chips, build quality, displays, and cameras. When it comes to the watch – yeah, maybe they should allow Apple Watch to work with Android phones. Airpods should have an Android app. Apple TV should have an android app.
The reason the DOJ is sueing seems incredibly petty and not exactly well thought out. In fact, it comes across as a law suit imagined by people who do not understand tech very well.
I suspect the DOJ is angry Apple will not come up with a backdoor to hack iPhones and are angry with how often it affects cases(with how many iPhones are sold in the USA).
Ultimately, Apple is as popular as it is in the USA because of the product Apple produces – not because they are committing some nefarious crime. People like the simplicity and lack of choice in favor of the "it just works" mindset. If that isn't your cup of tea, an Android phone can be bought at any time, and switching is really not as hard as the DOJ would like to believe.
I think looking at each of these "arguments" individually misses the bigger picture of everything together. If a smart watch maker wanted to make a compelling watch with nice features they could build in compatibility with their own app, or another "super app" that would allow their watch to make payments, send messages, do notifications, etc. By Apple denying access to SMS or other phone features from Apps and other devices they are reducing user choice and forcing them to use their app, their watch, their system.
it's days like these that I'm glad I wasn't born in the USA. I hate imessage, always have, and apple's evil practices. that's coming from an ex apple Sheep myself… I hope the DOJ gets a big win
I think the difference between games and movies is the monetization aspect of it
How would crippling a "super app" make you sell more phones? I'd think it just undermines your business in China.
Apple watch doesn't work on Android because Apple don't want it.
Pixel watch, Galaxy watch and other wear os watches don't work on iphone because Apple don't want it
I live in China and I use WeChat. There's nothing you can do on Android WeChat and that cannot be done on iOS WeChat.
Guys I dying to watch a podcast about why is not great gaming on mac

I’m sure there’s many people with the same question. I Love your podcast and your YouTube channel. Thanks
What would be funny is if you guys were subpoenaed for your expertise as influencers. That would be hilarious
Marques is carrying way too much water for Apple in this clip. Let em fall.
The China market isn’t something to scream about. You said it yourselves; it’s only a vibrant hardware market because of a software monopoly. One app for everyone. That’s not a good model to aspire to.
25:30 I think this take about NFC and Apple wallet from David is from an American perspective.
1. In most countries, Apple wallet straight up doesn't work.
2. In many countries, apps like Google pay, Samsung Pay, etc. have tap to pay through NFC options. NFC can be turned on through the Quick settings. While Iphones don't have a NFC toggle, they have a scan nearby devices toggle, hence if you have an iphone, you can't tap to pay in any app other than the Apple wallet. Basically you have NFC on your phone, the hardware is there, Apple won't let you use it with other apps. It's crazy but considering it's Apple, the greediest company in the world, I'm not surprised.
Marques doesn’t know what a super app is?
The galaxy watch up to the 3 had a companion app but 4 onwards doesn't have an app or pair
Clearly device and conquer. Thank you YouTube shape shifting algorithm. For the suggestion. AI at its best. Trust. Future proof window media player where was the MOV support?that made look at MOV as a worthwhile competitor. Right? As a MOV editor it equalized the playing field right? WeChat I use because of a former friend. I would not have gone there otherwise.for the best maybe?equality with WeChat should be the primary goal. Ineroperable I could? Public and reason is real. Trust is the amazing part. I put it because of what? Former friend? The public thing is critical in my family. Right? Apple has got this I’m all in. Competion is what it’s all about. Right? Just want trust in Ai right? IBM all the way.watsonX. I confused now. Why is this so difficult as to why and why? 17:57 and time for bed. Love you all gnite!
Hardware features like the special chips that enable certain seamless integrations are ok. Not offering APIs or access to permissions to implement features is not ok. That's the real problem. Garmin or any other smartwatch maker can never offer a full experience on iPhone not because they're bad at what they do, but because Apple has a restricted platform where they grant themselves access to features and APIs and keep them for themselves.
wait, on the US YOU CANT USE THE WALLET TO PAY WITH OTHER CARDS OTHER THAN APPLE PAY???
The actually useful answer to the guy asking Tim Cook about messaging his mom, was mentioned earlier in this video: "just use WhatsApp". Problem solved.
Soon Waveform Clips will start becoming their own podcasts
Allowing a bank to default on the NFC for payment means that it would be harder for me to use another banks payment card.
I have 3 payment cards from 2 banks. I have 2 loyalty cards that use NFC. I have other loyalty cards that have barcodes that require scanning. Will a bank allow me to put all those in their own digital wallet? Probably not. Do I want my bank to know all those details? No.
It’s goofy that the DOJ won’t sue the real monopolies in this country, especially the food industry… farming… etc.
Just FYI, in a legal sense, it doesn't matter if Apple now allows you to do something that you previously weren't able to do, if it is proven that at any point Apple didn't permit this with malicious intent then Apple is still liable to pay fines etc… I think that's a big area where the tech community doesn't understand why the DOJ is acting the way it is – because the DOJ is not looking to alter the most recent trends, but rather prove that Apple violated the law regardless of the point in time at which they did so. They may also make references to previous cases because of the precedent-based legal system in the US. In analogy, if, for example, a chemical company improperly disposed of waste then stopped, they would still be liable for the waste they disposed of improperly, regardless of the fact they have stopped doing it. I personally think the DOJ is acting now because they likely feel Apple's Masimo litigation has opened up the opportunity to put additional pressure on Apple.
So we need to make Fords give options for Chevy engines and vice versa.. We need Whoppers at McDonalds now too.
Feel free to add chapters to a THIRTY EIGHT minute clip. My dudes
18:19 the notification thing is the whole thing about the apple ecosystem.
make small little things be less enjoyable when using your apple products with other products.
i hate how my iphone doesn’t work with my windows computer.
my iphone would be more valuable if it worked with other products.
they want me to buy every product as an apple product which i hate.
all for the blue bubble
I was SO mad when I bought my Pixel and my Samsung watch wouldn't work. Made me so ANGRY.
Are we going to sue microsoft for not letting ps5 controllers work on it? They forced me to buy a xbox controller because thats the only one that works with it
The other end of this argument is to make an apple watch work with android etc. Is they would have to test numerous other devices and setup whole new teams to make all their devices work with android etc.
Apple openly blocking basic apis is shitty but most other arguments are just ridiculous
So I have an iPhone and a Garmin watch – I’ve got it so that apps like Teams sends me phone notifications but not to the watch but WhatsApp for example sends them to the phone and watch…
Fun fact: YouTube makes more money off iphone users using the YouTube app, than Android users using the YouTube app.
Love it, W for Department of Justice
3:08 Itunes arrived on windows waaaay later than the release of the ipod and windows version
5:23 Messenger from Meta was a SuperApp, it allowed to have SMS on the app itself instead of using the one that came with the phone, why Apple doesn't like that: You would use another app instead of their app (SMS in this case for example) and since their SMS app is not just any SMS app they would need to tell Meta a lot of their secrets, and they would lose control over the section
13:44 That's the anticonsumer policy that DOJ is fighting, yes
20:09 Actually you can use the Apple Watch LTE with android, it just lacks features that it could do on Android but it won't
you’ll still need an iPhone to set the process in motion.
-Pair your Apple Watch with your iPhone. Once complete, place a test call on your iPhone to see if the SIM card is activated.
-Next, put your iPhone in Airplane Mode. Check if the Apple Watch is still connected to a network. If it is, switch off your Apple Watch.
-Transfer the SIM card in your iPhone to your Android phone and switch on the Apple Watch.
Well, google watches will work on all Android phones regardless of manufacturer, but apple's watch only works on one manufacturer's phone.
I'm wondering, is google not supporting the iPhone for Pixel Watch because of the ridiculous limitations? Like Notification control for example…
Well I hope 2030 isn't identical to 2024 but I doubt much will change. Still got my fingers crossed tho
IMO Garmin watches are better for fitness because AW are just smartphones on your wrist while Garmin has superior fitness metrics and application.